Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/09/2003 07:06 AM House W&M

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HB 293-STATE SALES AND USE TAX                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  announced that  the  only  order of  business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  293, "An  Act levying and  collecting a                                                               
state sales  and use tax;  and providing for an  effective date."                                                               
He indicated  that the  committee would continue  work on  HB 293                                                               
over the weekend and would bring it back Monday morning.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  recalled that the  last hearing left  off with                                                               
discussion of the "isolated" concept.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0244                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY PERSILY,  Deputy Commissioner, Office of  the Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of   Revenue,  recalled   that  the   discussion  was                                                               
regarding  the exemption  on isolated  or occasional  sales [page                                                               
13, lines  5-12].   He further  recalled that  one of  the points                                                               
discussed  yesterday  was whether  the  committee,  as a  policy,                                                               
wanted to assess a  sales and use tax on an  individual sale of a                                                               
used car.   That is one of  the items that is  being changed such                                                               
that  if  an individual  sold  a  used  vehicle, it  wouldn't  be                                                               
subject  to  the  sales  tax  so  long as  the  sale  was  on  an                                                               
occasional basis as opposed to those  in the business of used car                                                               
sales.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  requested  discussion   with  regard  to  the                                                               
meaning of "person"  in relation to these  isolated or occasional                                                               
sales.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0348                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBYNN  WILSON,  Revenue  Auditor, Tax  Division,  Department  of                                                               
Revenue,  specified that  the definition  of "person"  includes a                                                               
corporation.  "The  idea here is that occasional  sell where that                                                               
person or  organization is  not in the  business of  selling that                                                               
particular item," she explained.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY clarified that in the  context of HB 293 the language                                                               
"person"  doesn't  mean  an individual  but  rather  a  corporate                                                               
entity.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0431                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HAWKER  asked  if  the   paragraph  applies  to  larger                                                               
transactions such as the sale and purchase of a business.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON  replied  yes  that  would  be  the  case  under  the                                                               
definition of "occasional."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  turned  to  page  13, line  13,  the  exemption  of                                                               
personal effects  brought into the  state, and recalled  that was                                                               
discussed yesterday.   He then turned to page 13,  line 18, which                                                               
is  the limit  on sales  tax liability  that would  apply to  the                                                               
purchase  of motor  vehicles,  watercraft,  aircraft, and  mobile                                                               
homes.   The tax would  be paid on only  the first $5,000  of the                                                               
purchase price, regardless of the total purchase price.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0526                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HAWKER  inquired  as  to  how the  list  of  items  was                                                               
derived.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  explained that  under the  Streamlined Sales  Tax Act                                                               
caps  are prohibited  after 2005,  except for  the items  listed.                                                               
She  noted that  these items  are commonly  capped by  states and                                                               
localities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY added  that of those communities  that currently have                                                               
a cap  for the sales tax,  there are many [caps]  above and below                                                               
$5,000.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HAWKER related his understanding  that the $5,000 cap is                                                               
the  [legislature's]  policy  call  as  opposed  to  a  guideline                                                               
specified in the Streamlined Sales Tax Act.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0624                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG  related his impression  that a person  who is                                                               
not in  the business of  selling cars sells  a car is  exempt [as                                                               
specified on page 13, lines 5-12].   Therefore, he inquired as to                                                               
whether an individual  in a similar situation  with watercraft or                                                               
aircraft would be exempt as well.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY answered  that the  intent of  the discussions  held                                                               
with the co-chair was that any  individual not in the business of                                                               
selling  any  of a  vehicle,  watercraft,  or aircraft  would  be                                                               
completely tax exempt when it's an isolated or occasional sale.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER interjected that it  wouldn't be a requisite to                                                               
purchase a  new [vehicle,  watercraft, or  aircraft] in  order to                                                               
occasionally sell the old one.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0836                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  posed a  situation in  which a  rental car                                                               
company sells  cars on a  fairly regular basis,  although selling                                                               
cars is  not its prime business.   In such a  situation would the                                                               
rental car  company have to  pay sales tax  on the sale  of those                                                               
cars.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON answered  that it would depend upon the  extent of the                                                               
definition  of   "occasional,"  which   could  be  part   of  the                                                               
legislation or the regulatory package.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON posed  another  situation in  which a  oil                                                               
company  operates a  fleet of  vehicles  for a  few years,  sells                                                               
them,  and   replaces  them  with   new  vehicles.     Under  the                                                               
"occasional"  definition  would the  aforementioned  transactions                                                               
not be taxable.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON replied,  per her understanding of  the current intent                                                               
of  the  section as  it  will  be  redrafted, the  oil  company's                                                               
transactions would be exempt.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY   said  he   would  consider   an  oil   company  or                                                               
construction company  that purchases new equipment  and sells the                                                               
used equipment  as occasional  and isolated.   However,  a rental                                                               
car company that  annually purchases new vehicles and  has a used                                                               
car sale  one to three  times a year every  year would not  be an                                                               
isolated or occasional event but  rather is part of the company's                                                               
business.   Therefore,  those rental  car  transactions would  be                                                               
taxable  and  thus  the  buyer  of  the  used  vehicle  would  be                                                               
responsible for sales tax.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1037                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  returned  to  review   of  [CSHB  293]  and  turned                                                               
attention to  page 13, line 22.   He explained that  the point of                                                               
that section  is that  if a business  is purchasing  something to                                                               
resell it, the  sales tax would only be paid  on the final retail                                                               
sale.  The same [logic] would  apply to the provision on page 13,                                                               
line 26.   Mr.  Persily moved  on to  page 14,  line 1,  which he                                                               
characterized  as a  tight  exemption that  applies  only to  the                                                               
property purchased  as a component  of a mining  or manufacturing                                                               
process.   As  written, the  [exemption] would  not apply  to the                                                               
equipment used in the manufacturing  process.  As the fiscal note                                                               
specifies, this  tight exemption would  mean that in the  oil and                                                               
gas industry  the equipment  used would be  subject to  sales tax                                                               
because  those items  aren't an  ingredient or  component in  the                                                               
manufacturing of  the product.  He  recognized the aforementioned                                                               
as a policy call of the legislature.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1211                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  related her understanding that  the pieces                                                               
that  go into  a module  wouldn't be  taxed.   However, once  the                                                               
module is built and sold to  industry, the industry would pay tax                                                               
on that module.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY said that would be his understanding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE suggested  that  this  situation with  the                                                               
modules  needs to  be  reviewed.   Currently,  modules are  being                                                               
built  in Anchorage,  Kenai, and  Fairbanks.   For the  Northstar                                                               
Unit project alone,  $400 million was spent on modules.   The tax                                                               
on  the  aforementioned would  be  $12  million.   Representative                                                               
Heinze pointed out  that the gas pipeline is "coming  up" and she                                                               
suggested  there would  be billions  of dollars  in modules.   In                                                               
Oregon there  is no  tax and it  has taken 15  years to  get [the                                                               
construction of] modules  from Oregon to Alaska.   Therefore, she                                                               
suggested   that   without   an  exemption   for   modules   [the                                                               
construction of the modules] will return to Oregon.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  posed   a   scenario   in  which   he                                                               
manufactures boxes.   He surmised  that all the  office equipment                                                               
and paper he uses would be exempt from the sales tax.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY replied,  "It's not if that is not  a component or an                                                               
ingredient in the process."  He  acknowledged that this is one of                                                               
the bigger policy calls in this legislation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  pointed out that it's  common for states to  exempt a                                                               
manufacturing  process rather  than the  approach encompassed  in                                                               
the  legislation.   However,  it's often  defined  as the  actual                                                               
direct process.   In  states where this  exemption is  broad, the                                                               
exemption   generally  doesn't   exempt   office  equipment   and                                                               
consumables.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1453                                                                                                                     
CO-CHAIR HAWKER  requested that Representative  Heinze's question                                                               
be put in the context of the Stranded Gas Development Act.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  explained  that [this  year's  amendments  to  the]                                                               
Stranded  Gas  Development  Act   give  the  state  authority  to                                                               
negotiate  with  the  sponsors  of the  project  a  contract  for                                                               
payment in  lieu of taxes,  which would include  corporate income                                                               
taxes, production taxes,  and sales taxes.  Therefore,  as far as                                                               
the gas  line project, the  aforementioned could be  addressed in                                                               
the negotiations.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE   surmised  that  it  wouldn't   apply  to                                                               
exploration on the North Slope or other fields and modules.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  said such authority to  negotiate only applies                                                               
to the gas line.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1607                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG  inquired as to how  the provision encompassed                                                               
in page 14, lines 1-4, would apply to commercial fishing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  explained that as  currently written, she  didn't she                                                               
that it would apply to [commercial fishing].                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  interjected, "Except  for the purpose  of purchasing                                                               
fish as the ingredient."   Mr. Persily specified that it wouldn't                                                               
apply to the equipment used to process the fish.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG  posed  a  scenario  in  which  a  commercial                                                               
fishermen catches a fish and  the tender boat purchases the fish,                                                               
which is  a point  of sale.   How  would this  legislation impact                                                               
such a situation, he asked.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON answered  that if  further  processing is  performed,                                                               
then it  would be  an exempt  sale to  that purchaser  because it                                                               
would be a sale for manufacturing.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  clarified that  if the  purchaser is  purchasing the                                                               
fish to sell  it directly to retail, then it  would be considered                                                               
a purchase  for resale.  Therefore,  there would be no  sales tax                                                               
on that purchase.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG recalled  that  there is  already a  1.5-cent                                                               
fish sales  tax at the  point of  sale between the  fisherman and                                                               
processor or tender that the fisherman  must pay.  He inquired as                                                               
to how this legislation would impact that sale of fish.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY said  that he  couldn't conceive  of a  situation in                                                               
which there  would be sales  tax on that transaction  because the                                                               
fish is being sold to either  a processor or distributor, in both                                                               
cases it  would be  tax exempt.   "Fishermen  and sales  tax just                                                               
would not mix,"  he said.  In further  response to Representative                                                               
Ogg,  Mr. Persily  said  that if  a fisherman  sold  fish to  the                                                               
public on  the dock and  that's the  first and final  sale, sales                                                               
tax would be collected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1943                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HAWKER related  his vision  and intent  that the  above                                                               
[understanding]  is the  line that  is  drawn.   The regular  and                                                               
recurring activity of  selling directly to the  consumer would be                                                               
subject to the sales tax.   However, he remarked that the idea is                                                               
not to tax the isolated or occasional sale.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON, with  regard  to  fishermen selling  fish                                                               
directly  to  the  public,  said  that she  would  hate  to  have                                                               
fishermen turn into tax collectors.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER remarked  that the committee will  have to work                                                               
its way through it the best way it can.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HAWKER  posed a  situation in which  a fisherman  owns a                                                               
small business,  and should,  as a  component of  the fisherman's                                                               
business,  engage in  regular and  recurring  [selling of  fish],                                                               
which would be a taxable transaction.   He pointed out that since                                                               
the burden is  placed on the collector and remitter  of the sales                                                               
tax, that entity is allowed  to keep a remuneration for providing                                                               
that service to the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2243                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  turned to the provision  on page 14, lines  8-16, and                                                               
stated  that this  is effectively  a sale  for resale  situation.                                                               
Therefore, a  company in  the business  of leasing  equipment can                                                               
purchase the equipment for that purpose without paying tax.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  moved on  to page 14,  lines 17-18,  which specifies                                                               
that the  motor fuel  that is  subject to the  motor fuel  tax is                                                               
exempt from the sales and use tax.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HAWKER  noted that  the intention  of this  provision is                                                               
that  the   motor  fuel  exemption   would  apply  to   all  fuel                                                               
transactions  that  are  subject  to the  excise  tax  provisions                                                               
within the larger scope of motor fuel taxes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY clarified  that if  an excise  tax is  already being                                                               
collected, the intent with this  provision is not to also collect                                                               
a sales and use tax at the pump.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON continued with the  provision on page 14, lines 19-25,                                                               
which she  pointed out is  similar to  the provision on  page 14,                                                               
line 8.  This provision is also a sale for resale exemption.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2448                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.   PERSILY  addressed   page   14,  lines   26-28,  which   he                                                               
characterized  as   a  catchall.     Basically,   this  provision                                                               
specifies that  an interstate commerce  transaction is  exempt if                                                               
imposition of  the sales and  use tax violates the  United States                                                               
constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  remarked that  this  would  be a  full                                                               
employment provision for lawyers  because he surmised that people                                                               
wouldn't  know what  this provision  exempts.   He  asked if  the                                                               
department   will   publish  regulations   defining   [interstate                                                               
commerce for which the imposition of  the sales and use tax would                                                               
be in violation of the United States constitution].                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  remarked that  the department  would expect  to write                                                               
regulations.   In further  response to  Representative Gruenberg,                                                               
she said she didn't know if  such an exemption is common in other                                                               
states.   However, many  states don't place  an exemption  on the                                                               
books  that  they  can't  tax.   For  example,  this  legislation                                                               
addresses food  stamps, while Florida  doesn't even  specify food                                                               
stamps  as an  exemption  because  the state  knows  it can't  be                                                               
taxed.   Therefore, Ms. Wilson  said that this provision  on page                                                               
14,  lines  26-28,  says  that the  state  will  tax  [interstate                                                               
commerce] to the extent possible under the constitution.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG, upon hearing  that Ms. Wilson has never                                                               
seen a statute  like this, informed the committee that  this is a                                                               
fast-evolving area in the U.S.  Supreme Court.  The [U.S. Supreme                                                               
Court] is  changing long-standing rules  in this area,  which are                                                               
quite complex.   He opined that  the state will have  to hire new                                                               
attorneys to defend this.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HAWKER  acknowledged that this  is a bit of  a conundrum                                                               
that needs examination.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2804                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON returned to the  provision on page 4, lines                                                               
8-11,  and inquired  as to  why furniture,  appliance, rental  or                                                               
lease of mobile homes, et cetera would not be exempt.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON  commented  that the  provision  certainly  could  be                                                               
adjusted.   She indicated  that the original  intent was  to deal                                                               
with leases.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  noted  agreement with  Representative  Seaton                                                               
that the provision would be a policy call.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  said that she remains  unclear with regard                                                               
to the provisions  on page 14, lines 8-16, and  lines 19-25.  She                                                               
related  her   understanding  that   the  provisions   mean  that                                                               
furniture, appliances,  and the rental  and lease of  mobile home                                                               
property are not exempt.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY   said  Representative  Wilson's   understanding  is                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON surmised then  that anything someone leases                                                               
other than those items listed is exempt.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON said  that if  she  leases a  car and  Representative                                                               
Wilson purchases the  same car, the [two  transactions] should be                                                               
treated similarly.   She explained  that the reasons lines  8 and                                                               
19 are included on  page 14 are so that a  car rental company can                                                               
purchase  the  car  for  subsequent   leasing  just  as  the  car                                                               
dealership can  purchase the car to  sell to it to  an individual                                                               
and not initially pay the tax.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  clarified that the sales  tax would be paid  once at                                                               
the final lease.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON inquired  as to  how leasing  an apartment                                                               
would be treated.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON explained  that this  legislation specifically  taxes                                                               
sales and  rentals of tangible  personal property.   An apartment                                                               
isn't tangible  personal property  but rather real  property, and                                                               
therefore wouldn't be taxed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON related her  understanding that although in                                                               
Wrangell there is  a sales tax on every  rental, this legislation                                                               
would specify that there can't be.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY replied yes in  that this legislation doesn't tax the                                                               
rental of  residential or office space;  this legislation doesn't                                                               
impose  a  sales  and  use  tax on  the  tax  of  real  property.                                                               
However, he pointed out that  Wrangell could have a special local                                                               
tax on  the rental  of property  similar to  the bed  tax, liquor                                                               
tax, or fuel transfer tax found in some communities.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 3235                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON,  in response  to Representative  Gruenberg, explained                                                               
that in regard to the language  on page 14, line 14, an exemption                                                               
certificate would be  used.  Therefore, it  wouldn't be incumbent                                                               
on the seller to know what is specified on page 14, lines 14-16.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HAWKER  recalled  the   extensive  discussions  on  the                                                               
exemption  certificate last  night.   There  was discussion  that                                                               
some substantial improvements to this language should be done.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  remarked  that   every  place  where  the                                                               
committee has questions, it probably  means the language isn't as                                                               
clear  as it  could  be.   She  asked if  the  language would  be                                                               
changed  such  that   the  ordinary  person  would   be  able  to                                                               
understand it.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  said that the  committee would do the  best it                                                               
can.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 3408                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  returned  the  earlier  issue  of  taxing                                                               
apartments and  related his belief  that many  taxing authorities                                                               
tax services, including apartment rentals.   If this isn't exempt                                                               
here, unless  there is language  specifying that  every community                                                               
can start  a new  and separate  taxing authority  it will  have a                                                               
large fiscal impact.  Therefore, he suggested review of that.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  expressed his desire for  committee members to                                                               
bring forward their  concerns, but he pointed out  that there are                                                               
a number of pages to review.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 3515                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY continued  with page  14, line  29 through  page 15,                                                               
line 10, which  he characterized as a policy  call requiring more                                                               
work.    This   provision  addresses  interstate  transportation,                                                               
interstate  commerce,  which  the  state  isn't  limited  in  its                                                               
ability   to   tax.     This   provision   specifies   that   the                                                               
transportation of  property from  one point  within the  state to                                                               
another point  in the state  is exempt  if the property  is being                                                               
transported  in  interstate  commerce under  a  single  contract.                                                               
Therefore, under  the current language,  if the contract  for the                                                               
transportation  of oil  from  Prudhoe Bay  to  refineries in  the                                                               
Lower  48 is  a single  contract, the  sales tax  wouldn't apply.                                                               
Mr. Persily  related his understanding  that the state  can't tax                                                               
interstate transportation while  in-state transportation services                                                               
can be taxed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  asked if the  [oil] industry has  a single                                                               
contract for moving the oil down to the refinery.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  said he didn't  know, but  pointed out that  in many                                                               
cases  the oil  is being  moved to  the company's  own refineries                                                               
through its own transportation company.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  inquired as  to the  impact of  this sales                                                               
tax if a gas line that goes through Canada is built.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  opined that  it would be  a single  contract because                                                               
it's  a single  carrier;  once the  gas  is put  in  the pipe  in                                                               
Prudhoe  Bay the  next stop  is Alberta,  Canada.   Therefore, it                                                               
would be  exempt.  However,  he said  he wasn't sure  whether oil                                                               
that  moves through  a  pipe  to a  holding  tank and  ultimately                                                               
pumped  into  a  tanker  is   under  a  single  contract  or  two                                                               
contracts.   Again, this would  be a  policy call with  regard to                                                               
whether  the legislature  wants  to  impose a  sales  tax on  the                                                               
tariff charged on the transportation of oil.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 3739                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG inquired as to  how the provision on [page 14,                                                               
line  29 through  page  15,  line 10]  would  impact the  fishing                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.   PERSILY  related   his   understanding   that  under   this                                                               
legislation  transportation services  are subject  to sales  tax.                                                               
Therefore,  one  moving  fish  only within  the  state  would  be                                                               
subject to sales tax.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG  surmised then that  a tender operator  who is                                                               
paid on a contractual basis by  a processing entity would have to                                                               
pay sales tax on his contract.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  clarified  that  the   tender  wouldn't  pay  if  a                                                               
processor contracts  with a  tender to  provide the  service, the                                                               
processor, as the buyer, would pay the sales tax.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  interjected, "Unless  it's being  further processed."                                                               
She  pointed out  that the  provision on  manufacturing discusses                                                               
adding  value,  and  therefore  there is  no  requirement  for  a                                                               
finished product.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY,   in  further   response  to   Representative  Ogg,                                                               
specified there would be a sales  tax only if [the fish is] moved                                                               
to final the retail purchaser.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG  commented that  sometimes the focus  tends to                                                               
be on  the oil and gas  industry because it's simpler.   However,                                                               
he  expressed the  need  to be  assured  [that this  legislation]                                                               
doesn't make it harder for  the fishing and processing industries                                                               
to be competitive.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 4041                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MOSES  inquired as  to how this  legislation would                                                               
impact  a scenario  in which  a  fisherman delivers  fish to  the                                                               
tender which is then delivered directly to the airport.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY related  his understanding  of  the above  situation                                                               
that the tender would take the  fish to the airport to be shipped                                                               
to its final destination.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON  identified  this  as   another  policy  call.    She                                                               
indicated  that  the  next  provision,   page  15,  lines  11-30,                                                               
addresses  the  concern.    She said  she  wasn't  clear  whether                                                               
Representative  Moses' concern  is regarding  fish going  out-of-                                                               
state or within the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY clarified  that the concern is  regarding whether the                                                               
freight charge  would be subject to  sales tax in a  situation in                                                               
which someone is being paid to  transport the fish to the airport                                                               
for delivery  to the airfreight  company to ship  it out-of-state                                                               
to the buyer.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON responded  that [under  the current  language in  the                                                               
legislation]  the freight  charge  wouldn't be  subject to  sales                                                               
tax.  Again, it is a policy call.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 4222                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER surmised  if the  transportation services  are                                                               
within the  confines of the  company owned  by the tender  or the                                                               
shipper,  [the freight  charges] would  not be  subject to  sales                                                               
tax.   However,  if a  transportation  service is  provided by  a                                                               
transportation  company [the  freight charge]  is subject  to the                                                               
sales tax because  it is intrastate transport.  He  asked if that                                                               
is correct.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON remarked  that as  currently  written, the  provision                                                               
focuses  on  whether  the  [product/fish]   would  be  resold  or                                                               
reprocessed, not the entities doing the selling.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  interjected that the  point is whether it's  part of                                                               
the process  of the item  being handled for  resale or is  it the                                                               
final sale.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HAWKER noted  that  he has  provided  the drafter  with                                                               
detailed  information on  the  issue of  services  that might  be                                                               
contemplated [in this legislation].  This  is an area in which he                                                               
believes  this CS  needs clarification.   He  mentioned that  the                                                               
value-added transportation  in an  ultimate process  is something                                                               
that would clearly be delineated  as opposed to transportation as                                                               
a service in and of itself.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 4437                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  recalled the  committee's discussion  at a                                                               
previous hearing about a salad.   She explained that the finished                                                               
product  is the  salad a  customer pays  for and  eats.   All the                                                               
ingredients  aren't finished  products  and aren't  sold as  such                                                               
until all  mixed [to form the  salad].  She likened  the salad to                                                               
the fish  that travels from  place to  place and is  changed, and                                                               
the finished product is when the fish is purchased in the store.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  identified  Alaska  as  the  beginning                                                               
point of  the "salad," the  place of primary extraction  for oil,                                                               
gas, and  fish.  The  aforementioned items are  consumed outside.                                                               
However, he said  he understood [the provision on  page 15, lines                                                               
11-30]  to  tax  only  the  salads eaten  in  Alaska.    However,                                                               
shouldn't  [the objective  be] to  tax  the salads  eaten in  New                                                               
York, he asked.   If the tax was imposed at  the beginning of the                                                               
process, it would be added to  the price in New York.  Therefore,                                                               
New Yorkers would be taxed rather than Alaskans.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  announced that such  is a policy  decision and                                                               
that  broader   policy  discussion  will  be   addressed  as  the                                                               
committee works its way through  the process.  However, today the                                                               
committee will continue  to get the explanation of  the CS before                                                               
it and any concerns will be addressed [at a later hearing].                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-26, SIDE B                                                                                                            
Number 0703                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MOSES returned to  the discussion of the situation                                                               
of the tender  transporting the fish to the airport.   He pointed                                                               
out that  many municipalities have  tax on  the fish ticket.   He                                                               
asked if that would be exempt.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY surmised that the  question is whether there would be                                                               
a tax  on a  tax to  which he responded  no.   Furthermore, there                                                               
would  be no  tax on  the  sale of  the  raw fish  to the  tender                                                               
because that isn't the final sale,  it would be considered a sale                                                               
for resale.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MOSES  asked if  the  above  would supercede  the                                                               
municipality's ability to tax that [raw] fish.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY replied no, adding  that the municipality could still                                                               
charge the raw fish tax.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY returned  to review of the CS  by directing attention                                                               
to page 15, lines 11-30.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 4521                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  said this provision  is about exporting.   She agreed                                                               
that this provision probably needs some clarification.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  specified that the  intent of the provision  is that                                                               
there is  an exemption for  those selling  services out-of-state.                                                               
Mr.  Persily continued  with page  15, line  31 through  page 16,                                                               
line 9, regarding the exemption for property used for leasing.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON said  that this provision is basically  the example of                                                               
the car  being leased.  In  this case, if the  car dealer brought                                                               
up the car from Seattle,  Washington, and subsequently leased the                                                               
car, that wouldn't be a use subject to the use tax.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 4429                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY turned  to page  16, lines  10-12, which  would give                                                               
credit for taxes paid in another state for goods.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON explained  that if  one purchases  a car  in Seattle,                                                               
Washington, and pays the sales tax  in Seattle and brings the car                                                               
to Alaska, the  Alaskan tax would only apply above  what was paid                                                               
in Seattle.  Therefore, there would  be a credit and the consumer                                                               
wouldn't pay the sales tax twice.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON,  in speaking to the  provision on page 16,  lines 13-                                                               
20, explained it as follows:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The direct  pay permit is  a situation where  a company                                                                    
     would  be expected  to  purchase a  lot  of things  tax                                                                    
     exempt  and a  lot of  things that  probably should  be                                                                    
     taxable.   For  example, say  a manufacturing  concern.                                                                    
     ... what  typically happens is  if that company  is big                                                                    
     enough - and  we would set up some criteria  -  but for                                                                    
     example, they have to have  an accounting system robust                                                                    
     enough to accrue  their own use tax.   We basically put                                                                    
     the onus then on that  company to report their own tax.                                                                    
     And  so  we  issue  the   company  a  permit  based  on                                                                    
     criteria.  That's how that  works.  And then they would                                                                    
     buy all  of their  goods and services,  tax off.   They                                                                    
     would  accrue  their  own  tax and  pay  it  just  like                                                                    
     retailers would.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON moved on to the  provision on page 16, line 21 through                                                               
page 17,  line 4,  which is  a sale for  resale.   This provision                                                               
requires  sellers  be  registered  so that  they  could  purchase                                                               
inventory without paying the tax.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  returned to  the  direct  pay permit  and                                                               
inquired as to how the state tracks this.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON answered  that such would be the subject  of an audit.                                                               
In  a  manufacturing  situation,  the sellers  wouldn't  have  to                                                               
determine what  was directly used  in the  manufacturing process;                                                               
the onus on  manufacturing concern.  Therefore, it  would then be                                                               
up  to the  Department  of Revenue  to audit  that  concern on  a                                                               
regular   basis,   similar   to    auditing   retailers.      The                                                               
aforementioned is why criteria is specified.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HAWKER  noted  he  anticipates  further  clarifications                                                               
regarding the  issues of  collection, remittance  permits, resale                                                               
exit certificates, and exemption certificates.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 3959                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY pointed  out  that page  17,  lines 5-23,  addresses                                                               
permit applications from  businesses so that the  state knows who                                                               
is  in  the business  of  sales  and  services  in Alaska.    The                                                               
provision  specifies  that  if  the  business  has  a  number  of                                                               
locations,  the  application   may  specify  multiple  locations.                                                               
Furthermore,  this  provision  recognizes  that  there  could  be                                                               
place(s) of  business or  offices that  have vending  machines in                                                               
multiple locations [which  is of no consequence].   Page 17, line                                                               
24  through  page  18,  line  7, deals  with  the  revocation  or                                                               
suspension  of  a  seller's  permit.   This  provision  sets  out                                                               
opportunities  for hearings  under  the Administrative  Procedure                                                               
Act (APA)  and [rules  regarding the]  enforcement of  someone in                                                               
noncompliance.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON,  in speaking to  page 18, lines 8-20,  explained that                                                               
it  imposes  a  penalty  for   someone  who  improperly  uses  an                                                               
exemption certificate.  For example,  someone in business obtains                                                               
a  seller's permit,  establishes  an  exemption certificate,  and                                                               
then goes  out of business on  June 30th while continuing  to use                                                               
the exemption  certificate to purchase  goods for resale  for the                                                               
remainder  of the  year, although  the business  is no  longer in                                                               
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  highlighted that  the penalty  payable to  the state                                                               
would  be $100  or  100  percent of  the  tax  due, whichever  is                                                               
greater.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  remarked that  doesn't  make  sense.   If                                                               
someone  is doing  something  illegal,  the individual  [company]                                                               
should be punished.   However, this merely requires  that the tax                                                               
be paid.   She  emphasized her  belief that  a penalty  should be                                                               
imposed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  returned to  the provision  dealing with  the penalty                                                               
for the improper use of  an exemption certificate.  She clarified                                                               
that the  100 percent  of the  tax isn't  just recouping  the tax                                                               
rather it's a penalty  on top of the tax.   "It just measures the                                                               
penalty," she specified.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 3713                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON continued with page  18, lines 21-28, and related that                                                               
this provision deals with commingling of homogenous products.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  moved on to page  18, line 29 through  page 19, line                                                               
15,  which  addresses  the  department's  ability  to  require  a                                                               
retailer who  doesn't maintain a  place of business in  the state                                                               
to furnish security  for the payment of taxes.   Therefore, there                                                               
would  be something  to  go after,  if  an out-of-state  business                                                               
doesn't  pay its  taxes.   Furthermore, the  provision imposes  a                                                               
penalty over and above the tax due.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  inquired as to the  definition of fungible                                                               
goods, which is mentioned on page 18, line 23.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON responded that as  the legislation is written there is                                                               
no specific  definition for fungible,  although she  guessed that                                                               
there is probably a definition [already] in law.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  recalled  that [fungible]  is  a  term                                                               
that's used in the uniform commercial code.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 3416                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY moved  on to  page 19,  lines 16-18,  which requires                                                               
someone  engaged in  transportation  shall register  and pay  the                                                               
taxes.  In  response to Co-Chair Whitaker,  Mr. Persily specified                                                               
that  this legislation  requires  a separate  registry, beyond  a                                                               
business license, with  the Department of Revenue  for a seller's                                                               
permit.   He  noted that  there is  no charge  for that  seller's                                                               
permit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG  related   his  understanding  that  any                                                               
activity engaged  in the  transportation of  goods, such  as UPS,                                                               
would be a  taxable event in Alaska.   However, the transshipment                                                               
of any goods and redistribution would be exempt, he presumed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  said  that  was   his  understanding  of  what  the                                                               
committee  wants, although  it isn't  clear  in the  legislation.                                                               
Therefore, there would  be no sales tax on  goods passing through                                                               
the state.   In further response, Mr. Persily  specified that his                                                               
assumption is that  the committee doesn't want to  impose a sales                                                               
tax on the services [enabling goods to pass through the state].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HAWKER  remarked that he  believes the above  is already                                                               
addressed in the distinctions  between intrastate and interstate.                                                               
He noted that it needs major clarification.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 3131                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  used the  example of a  gallon of  milk in                                                               
the  Bush and  asked if  the transportation  of the  milk to  the                                                               
community is taxed as a sales  tax and the increased value [cost]                                                               
of milk in the village is also taxed at the 2 percent.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER responded in the affirmative.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  turned  to  businesses  such  as  Federal                                                               
Express  for which  there  is  no tax,  only  a  charge for  that                                                               
[transportation]  service.   She inquired  as to  how that  would                                                               
work with the sales tax.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  clarified  that intrastate  would  be  taxed.                                                               
It's a transportation service, he said.   There would be [no tax]                                                               
on the U.S. Post Office.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 3017                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON moved  on to  page 19,  lines 19-25,  which allows  a                                                               
retailer  to  use  an  accrual  basis  method  of  accounting  on                                                               
application to the department.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   recalled  that  under   the  Internal                                                               
Revenue  Code, one  can normally  chose a  cash or  accrual basis                                                               
without an application.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON recalled  that the  Internal  Revenue Code  specifies                                                               
parameters  about  who   can  use  the  cash  basis.     A  large                                                               
corporation can't use a cash basis, he said.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2916                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY continued  with the  provision on  page 19,  line 26                                                               
through  page  20,  line  12,   which  is  another  policy  call.                                                               
Currently, the  provision specifies  that tax  returns are  to be                                                               
filed  on a  quarterly  basis.   This  provision allows  sampling                                                               
methods  in its  audits rather  than pulling  100 percent  of the                                                               
records.  On page 20, lines  13-19, if a business is paying taxes                                                               
on the accrual basis, the tax  paid has to be written off because                                                               
of a  bad debt  that [business]  can deduct  on a  subsequent tax                                                               
payment  to the  state.   Therefore, the  state wouldn't  collect                                                               
taxes  on business  that was  never received.   The  provision on                                                               
page 20,  lines 20-25, would be  another policy call in  terms of                                                               
the amount.   This provision  dictates how much the  business may                                                               
keep   from  the   collections   as   reimbursement  or   partial                                                               
reimbursement  for the  cost of  being  the tax  collector.   The                                                               
provision specifies  that amount retained  could be 2  percent or                                                               
$75 a month, whichever is less.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON turned  to page 20, line 26 through  page 21, line 14,                                                               
which deals with  forfeiture of security and sale  of the deposit                                                               
at auction if the taxpayer is not complying.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY addressed  page 21, line 15 through page  22, line 6,                                                               
what happens  when a taxpayer quits  or sells the business.   The                                                               
successor is  not liable for the  tax due from the  seller of the                                                               
business if [the purchaser] provides  the department with written                                                               
notice of the transaction and acquisition.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON continued with page  22, lines 7-22, and characterized                                                               
this  as a  policy call.   She  pointed out  that subsection  (c)                                                               
applies to corporate officers, directors, and shareholders.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2635                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  pointed out  that  on  page  22, lines  23-25,  the                                                               
department is  directed to adopt regulations  that are consistent                                                               
with the  Streamlined Sales and  Use Tax agreement.   With regard                                                               
to the definition provision on page  22, line 26 through page 26,                                                               
line 1,  Mr. Persily  acknowledged that  there are  probably some                                                               
definitions that are missing and  some that need to be clarified.                                                               
For  example,   on  page  24,   lines  3-6,  the   definition  of                                                               
"manufacturing" would  be one in  which the committee  would want                                                               
to consider how  broad, how tight, and what policy  calls to make                                                               
in  this area.   He  mentioned  that there  may be  the need  for                                                               
policy discussion  in relation to  page 24, line 15  through page                                                               
25, line 10.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY turned  to page  26,  lines 3-4,  which provides  an                                                               
exemption for  the car rental  tax.  He explained  that, assuming                                                               
the car  rental tax is  adopted, car  rentals subject to  the car                                                               
rental tax aren't  subject to the sales and use  tax.  Section 11                                                               
on page 26 is an uncodified  law of the state specifying that the                                                               
department is authorized to enter  into the Streamlined Sales and                                                               
Use Tax [Act].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.   PERSILY  concluded   with  the   effective  dates   of  the                                                               
legislation.  He  specified that the sales tax  would take effect                                                               
January 1,  2004, while the motor  fuel tax takes effect  July 1,                                                               
2003.  The  vehicle rental exemption, Section 14,  only goes into                                                               
effect if the vehicle rental tax passes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2334                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG noted  that  he  has provided  committee                                                               
staff with an amendment.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   WHITAKER  announced   that  tomorrow   would  be   the                                                               
appropriate time to bring forward amendments and concerns.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG explained  that  the  amendment is  such                                                               
that if the natural resource  income increases above 110 percent,                                                               
then there would be an inverse reduction in any statewide tax.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  surmised that under  Representative Rokeberg's                                                               
amendment the tax would be indexed to natural resource revenue.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH  noted that  he passed  out a  number of                                                               
amendments  to the  committee yesterday.   He  mentioned that  he                                                               
wanted to refine the handwritten amendment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2052                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  announced that  tomorrow as there  are ongoing                                                               
discussions and  rewrites, the committee's  input will be  put in                                                               
the rewrites.   Therefore, there will  be a CS, which  is subject                                                               
to amendment by any committee member.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[HB 293 was held over]                                                                                                          

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